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	<title>Comments on: Exposed: The WPost&#8217;s One-Sided Account of Torture and Abuse</title>
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		<title>By: AlexHidell</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/commentary/4287/washington-postone-sided-account/comment-page-1/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexHidell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further begs the question of &#039;control&#039;

&quot;“We want to get in there and manage [their nuclear program]. If we manage it, we can make sure they don’t start testing, or start a war.”  In other words, the U.S. is helping the Pakistanis to modernize their nuclear arsenal in hopes that the U.S. will thereby gain a measure of control.&quot;

from Andrew Cockburn&#039;s article link posted above from Counterpunch.com

Yes, let the US start the wars and reap any &#039;profits&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further begs the question of &#8216;control&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;“We want to get in there and manage [their nuclear program]. If we manage it, we can make sure they don’t start testing, or start a war.”  In other words, the U.S. is helping the Pakistanis to modernize their nuclear arsenal in hopes that the U.S. will thereby gain a measure of control.&#8221;</p>
<p>from Andrew Cockburn&#8217;s article link posted above from Counterpunch.com</p>
<p>Yes, let the US start the wars and reap any &#8216;profits&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexHidell</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexHidell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture leads directly to a 9-11 re-investigation.  Kean/Hamilton say the original investigation was &#039;obstructed&#039; by the CIA due to torture,

9/11 Commission: Our investigation was &quot;obstructed&quot;
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/02/obstruction/

and when you see why Obama won&#039;t investigate torture fully,

The Obama Adminstration is Helping to Upgrade Pakistan&#039;s Nuclear Weapons
How the U.S. Has Secretly Backed Pakistan&#039;s Nuclear Program From Day One 
http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew06242009.html

you find that Valerie Plame-Wilson&#039;s company,  Brewster Jennings, was exposed in 2001 three years before she was &#039;outed&#039; by Robert Novak in 2003,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=389x2771387</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture leads directly to a 9-11 re-investigation.  Kean/Hamilton say the original investigation was &#8216;obstructed&#8217; by the CIA due to torture,</p>
<p>9/11 Commission: Our investigation was &#8220;obstructed&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/02/obstruction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/02/obstruction/</a></p>
<p>and when you see why Obama won&#8217;t investigate torture fully,</p>
<p>The Obama Adminstration is Helping to Upgrade Pakistan&#8217;s Nuclear Weapons<br />
How the U.S. Has Secretly Backed Pakistan&#8217;s Nuclear Program From Day One<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew06242009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew06242009.html</a></p>
<p>you find that Valerie Plame-Wilson&#8217;s company,  Brewster Jennings, was exposed in 2001 three years before she was &#8216;outed&#8217; by Robert Novak in 2003,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&#038;address=389x2771387" rel="nofollow">http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&#038;address=389&#215;2771387</a></p>
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		<title>By: PJBurke</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJBurke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a comprehensive and authoritative narrative of the eight years of misgovernment of the Bush administration...&quot;

While sorely needed, I think our national experience with such commissions mitigates against expecting the production of anything other than a Kabuki Theater whitewash negotiated behind closed doors... handsomely bound in so-so quality leather, of course.

Rather than that, the tools now exist for those who&#039;ve worked this beat for all of these many years -- specialist bloggers, human rights groups, the ACLU, international law experts, agency whistleblowers, U.N. officials... even stifled members of Congress -- to instead collaborate on a mixed-media trial-in-absentia project of the Torture 13.  Let all of the questions be asked which the political elites will shy away from... show all of the evidence which already exists on the record. File FOIA requests -- more in the nature of a demand -- and start loudly shaming government agencies which refuse to respond adequately. And include damning, detailed indictments of media outlets like the Washington Post, and enabling &#039;media stars&#039; like Ignatius.  Make THAT comprehensive and authoritative account -- WWWeb accessible, of course... in multiple languages -- become the handsomely-bound-in-leather coffeetable picture book and DVD collection. 

I&#039;d start it off, were I doing such a thing, with the compelling human drama of the unlikely partnership-for-justice between Mohammed Jawad&#039;s defense attorney and his former and would-have-been prosecutor, Darrell Vandeveld. 

That&#039;s just me.  Others will have their own suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a comprehensive and authoritative narrative of the eight years of misgovernment of the Bush administration&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>While sorely needed, I think our national experience with such commissions mitigates against expecting the production of anything other than a Kabuki Theater whitewash negotiated behind closed doors&#8230; handsomely bound in so-so quality leather, of course.</p>
<p>Rather than that, the tools now exist for those who&#8217;ve worked this beat for all of these many years &#8212; specialist bloggers, human rights groups, the ACLU, international law experts, agency whistleblowers, U.N. officials&#8230; even stifled members of Congress &#8212; to instead collaborate on a mixed-media trial-in-absentia project of the Torture 13.  Let all of the questions be asked which the political elites will shy away from&#8230; show all of the evidence which already exists on the record. File FOIA requests &#8212; more in the nature of a demand &#8212; and start loudly shaming government agencies which refuse to respond adequately. And include damning, detailed indictments of media outlets like the Washington Post, and enabling &#8216;media stars&#8217; like Ignatius.  Make THAT comprehensive and authoritative account &#8212; WWWeb accessible, of course&#8230; in multiple languages &#8212; become the handsomely-bound-in-leather coffeetable picture book and DVD collection. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d start it off, were I doing such a thing, with the compelling human drama of the unlikely partnership-for-justice between Mohammed Jawad&#8217;s defense attorney and his former and would-have-been prosecutor, Darrell Vandeveld. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just me.  Others will have their own suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave "knowbuddhau" Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave "knowbuddhau" Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing to the importance of preventing the poisoning of the well of debate by deliberate acts of sabotage such as the &quot;myths and misinformation&quot; of WaPo.

Establishing a truthful narrative of our experiments in torture is absolutely vital for the health of the nation.  How are we to govern ourselves if we don&#039;t know where we are or how we got here or what we can expect as consequences?

Recall that we have threatened Britain with reassessing our information sharing with them, if they reveal how we tortured Binyam Mohamed.  So the truth no longer sets us free?

No, for our torture team and their apologists, the truth is to be feared.  So now that we&#039;ve made truth Public Enemy #1, which way forward?

The people who led us here can only lead us deeper into this god-forsaken Waste Land.  They have no intention of forming a more perfect union.  We absolutely must out the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing to the importance of preventing the poisoning of the well of debate by deliberate acts of sabotage such as the &#8220;myths and misinformation&#8221; of WaPo.</p>
<p>Establishing a truthful narrative of our experiments in torture is absolutely vital for the health of the nation.  How are we to govern ourselves if we don&#8217;t know where we are or how we got here or what we can expect as consequences?</p>
<p>Recall that we have threatened Britain with reassessing our information sharing with them, if they reveal how we tortured Binyam Mohamed.  So the truth no longer sets us free?</p>
<p>No, for our torture team and their apologists, the truth is to be feared.  So now that we&#8217;ve made truth Public Enemy #1, which way forward?</p>
<p>The people who led us here can only lead us deeper into this god-forsaken Waste Land.  They have no intention of forming a more perfect union.  We absolutely must out the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Supreme Regional Commander EurAsia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former Supreme Regional Commander EurAsia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring to &lt;&gt; [Special Review CIA, released last Monday] I read on page 88 &quot;This Review did not uncover any evidence that these plots were imminent&quot;. Jay S. Bybee pre-authorizes torture.
But Jay S. Bybee assumes at least some imminent plots without proof &amp; evdence.
All training-camps in Afghanistan &amp; Pakistan were construced either by the
U.S.-Secret Service or by the Pakistan-Secret Service. And Al-Kaida is a term
the Interrogators in this Special Review say about:&quot;The Agency lacked adequate linguists or subject matter experts and had very little hard knowledge of what particular Al-Kaida leaders - who later became detainees - should know&quot;[ loc.
cit. page 83]. Please draw Your own conclusion if the CIA tortures somebody why
he was at the wrong time at the wrong place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring to &lt;&gt; [Special Review CIA, released last Monday] I read on page 88 &#8220;This Review did not uncover any evidence that these plots were imminent&#8221;. Jay S. Bybee pre-authorizes torture.<br />
But Jay S. Bybee assumes at least some imminent plots without proof &amp; evdence.<br />
All training-camps in Afghanistan &amp; Pakistan were construced either by the<br />
U.S.-Secret Service or by the Pakistan-Secret Service. And Al-Kaida is a term<br />
the Interrogators in this Special Review say about:&#8221;The Agency lacked adequate linguists or subject matter experts and had very little hard knowledge of what particular Al-Kaida leaders &#8211; who later became detainees &#8211; should know&#8221;[ loc.<br />
cit. page 83]. Please draw Your own conclusion if the CIA tortures somebody why<br />
he was at the wrong time at the wrong place.</p>
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