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		<title>By: dobropet</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/commentary/6257/climate-change-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1746</link>
		<dc:creator>dobropet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some more dissenting information.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020126/climategate-goes-serial-now-the-russians-confirm-that-uk-climate-scientists-manipulated-data-to-exaggerate-global-warming/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more dissenting information.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020126/climategate-goes-serial-now-the-russians-confirm-that-uk-climate-scientists-manipulated-data-to-exaggerate-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020126/climategate-goes-serial-now-the-russians-confirm-that-uk-climate-scientists-manipulated-data-to-exaggerate-global-warming/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rkives</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/commentary/6257/climate-change-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>Rkives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackson,
I am from victoria where the supposed PR generated occured:

University of Victoria nor Saanich police have any evidence indicating that Weaver&#039;s office was targeted due to the nature of his work.

And it’s not the first time the office has been hit by a break-in. Days before the laptop was stolen, on Nov. 24, Weaver&#039;s office was broken into -- though a Zippo lighter was all that was stolen, UVic spokesperson Patti Pitts said.

The laptop was one of two computers reported stolen on campus Nov. 27. The other, a desktop machine, was taken from the nearby engineering building, which does not house any climate research facilities.

This is the Media spin at work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackson,<br />
I am from victoria where the supposed PR generated occured:</p>
<p>University of Victoria nor Saanich police have any evidence indicating that Weaver&#8217;s office was targeted due to the nature of his work.</p>
<p>And it’s not the first time the office has been hit by a break-in. Days before the laptop was stolen, on Nov. 24, Weaver&#8217;s office was broken into &#8212; though a Zippo lighter was all that was stolen, UVic spokesperson Patti Pitts said.</p>
<p>The laptop was one of two computers reported stolen on campus Nov. 27. The other, a desktop machine, was taken from the nearby engineering building, which does not house any climate research facilities.</p>
<p>This is the Media spin at work!</p>
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		<title>By: dobropet</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/commentary/6257/climate-change-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>dobropet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Christian, we can&#039;t all be conformists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Christian, we can&#8217;t all be conformists.</p>
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		<title>By: mcthorogood</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/commentary/6257/climate-change-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>mcthorogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a lot easier to defend &quot;climate change,&quot; than to defend &quot;global warming.&quot;

People doubting global warming, say show me the data.  Take two sets of numbers {20, 30, 40} and {0, 30, 60}, both have the same average, but widely different variances.  The average atmospheric temperature may not have increased greatly, but who can dispute that local variances have not changed, considering glacial recession and the opening of the Northwest Passage?

Additionally, global warming is ameliorated by the decreasing solar flux reaching the earth&#039;s surface, as shown by pan evaporation rate data and caused by the increase in atmospheric pollution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a lot easier to defend &#8220;climate change,&#8221; than to defend &#8220;global warming.&#8221;</p>
<p>People doubting global warming, say show me the data.  Take two sets of numbers {20, 30, 40} and {0, 30, 60}, both have the same average, but widely different variances.  The average atmospheric temperature may not have increased greatly, but who can dispute that local variances have not changed, considering glacial recession and the opening of the Northwest Passage?</p>
<p>Additionally, global warming is ameliorated by the decreasing solar flux reaching the earth&#8217;s surface, as shown by pan evaporation rate data and caused by the increase in atmospheric pollution.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lindorff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Lindorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s all you need to see:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html

What? You think the scientists at NASA are lying? Yeah, right. I forgot: They lied about landing on the moon too, which of course never happened.

The whole gang are just in kahoots with Al Gore to trick us with their damned satellites and photos, and their lives dedicated to fakery and fraud, right? And none of them has the guts to quit and tell us the truth: that it&#039;s all a trick.

We should all go up and skate around on all that ice up there and prove to them that we&#039;re on to them.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s all you need to see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html</a></p>
<p>What? You think the scientists at NASA are lying? Yeah, right. I forgot: They lied about landing on the moon too, which of course never happened.</p>
<p>The whole gang are just in kahoots with Al Gore to trick us with their damned satellites and photos, and their lives dedicated to fakery and fraud, right? And none of them has the guts to quit and tell us the truth: that it&#8217;s all a trick.</p>
<p>We should all go up and skate around on all that ice up there and prove to them that we&#8217;re on to them.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lindorff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Lindorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of nonsense I&#039;m talking about.

Just look at the satellite photos. Much of the old ice is gone, the total coverage is down. Ships have made the fabled &quot;Northwest Passage&quot; trip. Measurements by sonar and sub have demonstrated the thinning of the whole ice cap.

Oil companies are planning to exploit the new open water areas for energy.

What will it take for these bozos to admit the ice cap is gone? Open water from Baffin Island to Murmansk?

Dave Lindorff
www.thiscantbehappening.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of nonsense I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>Just look at the satellite photos. Much of the old ice is gone, the total coverage is down. Ships have made the fabled &#8220;Northwest Passage&#8221; trip. Measurements by sonar and sub have demonstrated the thinning of the whole ice cap.</p>
<p>Oil companies are planning to exploit the new open water areas for energy.</p>
<p>What will it take for these bozos to admit the ice cap is gone? Open water from Baffin Island to Murmansk?</p>
<p>Dave Lindorff<br />
<a href="http://www.thiscantbehappening.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.thiscantbehappening.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Siegert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Siegert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Despite all the terrifying evidence before our eyes–the rapid disappearance of the North Polar ice cap, the rapid melting of the Greenland ice sheet, the shrinking back of mountain glaciers all over the world, the frightening acidification of the upper layer of the global oceans, the measurable and accelerating rise in sea levels, and the thousands of years of data on carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere that can clearly be linked to temperature changes around the world&quot;

* The North Polar ice cap is not rapidly disappearing. In fact it barely changed.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx76KzKJlfI/AAAAAAAAEzQ/6dHucnfeJGw/s1600-h/moncton2.jpg

* The ice sheet at the South Pole grows.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx76pixVFqI/AAAAAAAAEzY/mb19kj01IIo/s1600-h/moncton3.jpg

* Greenland&#039;s ice sheet grows as well.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77KbbXneI/AAAAAAAAEzg/5Ig8XkAbVRw/s1600-h/moncton4.jpg (Blue spots show an increased depth of the ice sheet, red spots a decreased depth. Contributors to melting spots are sources of hot water and volcanic activity, not CO2.)

* Visual evidence of Greenland&#039;s ice sheet growing: The Pentagon&#039;s radar station DYE3 in 1971
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77aLV4YGI/AAAAAAAAEzo/OS72-E7qBW0/s1600-h/moncton6.jpg
and in 2006 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77fZ89e1I/AAAAAAAAEzw/qZwL1Np2Yq8/s1600-h/moncton5.jpg

* Mountain glaciers are not shrinking due to a supposedly global warming. Most remain steady. The ones shrinking show that their snow and ice is heavily polluted by aerosols. The dirt makes the snow and ice black which allows it to absorb more sun light which in turn increases temperatures to a point where it slowly melts.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx7_lLZ4jzI/AAAAAAAAEz4/rYRbSrrXW2U/s1600-h/Gletscher.jpg

* Of course CO2 can be _linked_ to rising temperatures. But rising CO2 levels are not the _cause_ of rising temperatures, they are the _result_! Al Gore&#039;s presentation flipped the graphs to make it look like CO2 causes temperature changes, but it is the other way around.

A British court ruled schools being provided with the movie &quot;An inconvenient truth&quot; must also be provided with an over 70 page report correcting all the false claims presented in the movie.

Please read &quot;35 Inconvenient Truths -- The errors in Al Gore’s movie&quot;
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html

I also recommend you watch Lord Monckton&#039;s presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Despite all the terrifying evidence before our eyes–the rapid disappearance of the North Polar ice cap, the rapid melting of the Greenland ice sheet, the shrinking back of mountain glaciers all over the world, the frightening acidification of the upper layer of the global oceans, the measurable and accelerating rise in sea levels, and the thousands of years of data on carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere that can clearly be linked to temperature changes around the world&#8221;</p>
<p>* The North Polar ice cap is not rapidly disappearing. In fact it barely changed.<br />
<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx76KzKJlfI/AAAAAAAAEzQ/6dHucnfeJGw/s1600-h/moncton2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx76KzKJlfI/AAAAAAAAEzQ/6dHucnfeJGw/s1600-h/moncton2.jpg</a></p>
<p>* The ice sheet at the South Pole grows.<br />
<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx76pixVFqI/AAAAAAAAEzY/mb19kj01IIo/s1600-h/moncton3.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx76pixVFqI/AAAAAAAAEzY/mb19kj01IIo/s1600-h/moncton3.jpg</a></p>
<p>* Greenland&#8217;s ice sheet grows as well.<br />
<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77KbbXneI/AAAAAAAAEzg/5Ig8XkAbVRw/s1600-h/moncton4.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77KbbXneI/AAAAAAAAEzg/5Ig8XkAbVRw/s1600-h/moncton4.jpg</a> (Blue spots show an increased depth of the ice sheet, red spots a decreased depth. Contributors to melting spots are sources of hot water and volcanic activity, not CO2.)</p>
<p>* Visual evidence of Greenland&#8217;s ice sheet growing: The Pentagon&#8217;s radar station DYE3 in 1971<br />
<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77aLV4YGI/AAAAAAAAEzo/OS72-E7qBW0/s1600-h/moncton6.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77aLV4YGI/AAAAAAAAEzo/OS72-E7qBW0/s1600-h/moncton6.jpg</a><br />
and in 2006 <a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77fZ89e1I/AAAAAAAAEzw/qZwL1Np2Yq8/s1600-h/moncton5.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx77fZ89e1I/AAAAAAAAEzw/qZwL1Np2Yq8/s1600-h/moncton5.jpg</a></p>
<p>* Mountain glaciers are not shrinking due to a supposedly global warming. Most remain steady. The ones shrinking show that their snow and ice is heavily polluted by aerosols. The dirt makes the snow and ice black which allows it to absorb more sun light which in turn increases temperatures to a point where it slowly melts.<br />
<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx7_lLZ4jzI/AAAAAAAAEz4/rYRbSrrXW2U/s1600-h/Gletscher.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MAIDScDNy6I/Sx7_lLZ4jzI/AAAAAAAAEz4/rYRbSrrXW2U/s1600-h/Gletscher.jpg</a></p>
<p>* Of course CO2 can be _linked_ to rising temperatures. But rising CO2 levels are not the _cause_ of rising temperatures, they are the _result_! Al Gore&#8217;s presentation flipped the graphs to make it look like CO2 causes temperature changes, but it is the other way around.</p>
<p>A British court ruled schools being provided with the movie &#8220;An inconvenient truth&#8221; must also be provided with an over 70 page report correcting all the false claims presented in the movie.</p>
<p>Please read &#8220;35 Inconvenient Truths &#8212; The errors in Al Gore’s movie&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html" rel="nofollow">http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html</a></p>
<p>I also recommend you watch Lord Monckton&#8217;s presentation:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with DavidC. There is a concerted effort to hack the scientists computers as well as a case in Canada where thieves actually broke in to a climate scientist&#039;s office and stole a computer and some documents. Some of the hacks were detected in progress and shut down and the scientists are now fortifying their systems but these are sophisticated hacks. I suspect some heavy funding behind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with DavidC. There is a concerted effort to hack the scientists computers as well as a case in Canada where thieves actually broke in to a climate scientist&#8217;s office and stole a computer and some documents. Some of the hacks were detected in progress and shut down and the scientists are now fortifying their systems but these are sophisticated hacks. I suspect some heavy funding behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis. 

There is, of course, a real conspiracy surrounding climate change: the one constructed by ExxonMobil, David Koch, et al to deny and pollute the science. The evidence and money trail for that is huge and undeniable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis. </p>
<p>There is, of course, a real conspiracy surrounding climate change: the one constructed by ExxonMobil, David Koch, et al to deny and pollute the science. The evidence and money trail for that is huge and undeniable.</p>
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		<title>By: baby crib</title>
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		<dc:creator>baby crib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate change is indeed a serious problem but some people are not alarmed until they are directly affected by the situation, not until they are hurt and tormented. Your teacher is right about saying that line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change is indeed a serious problem but some people are not alarmed until they are directly affected by the situation, not until they are hurt and tormented. Your teacher is right about saying that line.</p>
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