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Capitalism Is An Anti-Social Disease

Looking at the catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico, where the results of the greed of corporate executives at BP, TransOcean and Halliburton, not to mention the greed of paid-off regulators in the Minerals Management Service and the members of the House and Senate who took dirty money to water down drilling regulations are on ready display, I was reminded of a prominent business leader in New York, recently deceased.

Told by his sister of a young woman she knew who had posted a sign on her wall saying, “Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have,” this executive, who had held a top position in the media, sniffed, “Ugh! That’s terrible. If people thought like that, no one would strive to do anything.”

Of course, hundreds of thousands of people–teachers, nurses, park rangers, musicians, writers, artists, small farmers and social workers–spend their lives working at low wages trying to make others happy, or to produce things that bring joy to others, content that their lives have meaning. Yet this same individual, who was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, spent his life amassing ever more wealth, which is what the rich and powerful do. He worked hard raking it in, riding roughshod over employees, competitors, and workers, all with the goal of obtaining more wealth, though he had no hope of ever spending what he had. When he died, he left behind a family squabbling over the spoils.

And how different, really, was he from most wealthy, powerful people? To be sure, some give extravagantly to charity, especially when they die, but their bequests can never compensate for the harm they do in their lifetimes.

Let’s face it. Capitalism is a disease–an raging infection that causes its hosts to become sociopaths.

When I lived in Hong Kong, where I worked as a correspondent for Business Week magazine back in the mid-1990s, my wife Joyce and I adopted a baby boy from a local Hong Kong orphanage. For the first six months, under the terms of the adoption process, we had Jed living with us in a foster-care arrangement, which required us to take him to regular visits to Queen Mary Hospital’s toddler clinic.

There we often met a British couple who at the same time as us had adopted two boys, both with physical disabilities–one affecting his walking, and the other his vision. The man was someone I knew professionally–a major figure in the international investment banking industry who worked for a large British bank. I knew he had been centrally involved in lucrative deals in Southeast Asia that had financed some poorly planned infrastructure projects that were displacing and destroying the lives of tens of thousands of poor people, and that he had actually been indicted in one country for having misled the government there about the risks involved in the loans. But here he was, with his two adopted kids, just a model father: loving, patient and kind.

I was struck by this man’s ability to segment his personality into two discrete halves–a caring human being, and a profit-maximizing monster.

To read the rest of this article  visit Mr. Lindorff’s new independent online newspaper, Thiscantbehappening.net.

Dave Lindorff is the founder of the news site ThisCantBeHappening.net, now a news collective consisting of journalists Lindorff, John Grant, Linn Washington and Charles M. Young.

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10 Responses for “Capitalism Is An Anti-Social Disease”

  1. Wingnut says:

    Hi! Looks like a good piece, but ‘thiscan’tbehappening’ doesn’t allow commenting. And this comment box is light gray text on white… so it might as well be no commenting allowed. Get a decent blog system, and us anti-capitalism-ists will tell you all about the disgustingness of capitalism. Its the system, not the people. The people just play roles. As far as “just business”… fill it out. “Don’t take it personally, its just business:. I can’t see much of my typing here, but there are two other handwashing policies that are heavily used… “Whatever the market will bear”… and “There’s nothing wrong with making a good profit”. As far as DOING something about the giant pyramid scheme religion called capitalism, “its been going on for years,,, you can’t change it” is #1 handwash, and “it not my job” is #2. Capitalism is a servitude system… lots of working FOR others and very little working WITH. Empowerment and enjoyment addictions. The earth creators are watching. The meek shall inherit… but we’ll be doing sharing, not owning. Ownership and economies are man-made-up things. Not a single other living creature on the entire planet… uses such. hint hint.

    Ok, here comes my paste-o-matic anti-capitalism campaign poster. Enjoy…

    Readers, capitalists, you DO see the pyramid scheme symbol on the back of the USA one dollar bill, right? You DO see the servitude infestation in capitalism, right? And do you see the “pay up or lose your wellbeing” Chicago mob-like felony extortion widespread within capitalism? Do you see the “join or starve” felony extortion done to the 18 year olds… by this ugly competer’s church called capitalism? See how forcing competer’s religions onto 18 year olds… kills membership in the cooperator’s church (Christianity/socialism)?? Do you understand that AmWay (American Way) (New World Order) got “the exclusive” (legal tender) on the TYPE of survival coupons (money) accepted in supply depots (stores) and leverages 18 year olds into the organization via that felony activity as well? (It puts AmWay-coupon slaving requirements called price tags… on all the survival goods). Do you understand how farmyard pyramids work… from your childhood?? Remember?? Upper 1/3 are “heads in the clouds” while the kids on the bottom ALWAYS GET HURT from the weight of the world’s knees in their backs? Still with me? Do you see anything illegal, immoral, or just plain sick… in any of this pyramid scheme’s activities?

    Us American Christian socialists are still patiently awaiting the natural fall of the pyramid-o-servitude, or the busting of the free marketeers felony… by the USA Dept of Justice. Us Christians are VERY CLOSE to issuing a cease and desist order until the servitude and inequality goes away… which means it turns into a commune. Commune is a word we LOVE when used in the word “community”… but its one the caps HATE when used in the term “commune-ism”. Go fig. PROGRAMMED!!

    Do a Google IMAGE SEARCH for ‘pyramid of capitalist’ to see a full color picture made way back in 1911, when capitalism was first discovered to be a con/sham instigated by the Free Masons/Illuminati. Folks sure bought into the thing… hook, line, and sinker just the same. The caps didn’t even check if a string was attached! Now THAT’S easy fishing, eh?

    Time to level the felony pyramid scheme called capitalism. Abolish economies and ownershipism worldwide, and hurry. Economies just cause rat-racing, and rat-racing causes felony pyramiding. BUST IT, America! Look to the USA military supply/survival system… (and the USA public library system) for socialism and morals done right. Equal, owner-less, money-less, bill-less, timecard-less, and concerned with growth of value-criteria OTHER THAN money-value. Quit doing monetary discrimination immediately, and make it illegal. There are MANY measurement criteria of “value”… not just dollars. Try morals, efficiency, discrimination-levels, repairability, etc etc. Economies are cancerous tumors, and to cheer for their growth… is just insane. Profiting causes inflation, so if caps LIKE inflation, and if they LIKE a terrible time in afterlife when they meet the planet’s ORIGINAL OWNER before caps tried to squat it all with ownershipism, then keep it up with the felony pyramiding. I dare you. While us Christians are finally bulldozing that pyramid scheme back to level, lets make servitude and “join or starve” (get a job or die) illegal in the USA, and lets level the architecture seen in USA courtrooms, too. Right now, USA courtrooms are church simulators or “fear chambers”, by special design. Sick.

    Isn’t that back-of-the-dollar pyramid… a Columbian freemason symbol? And WHERE is the USA gov located? District of Columbia? (Not even part of the USA!) How much more blatant can ya get? The “Fed” runs a pyramid scheme called the free marketeers. If you’re using the “federal reserve note” certificates, or using no-other-living-thing-on-the-planet entitles of ownership, you’re bought into a servitude/slavery con/sham… called capitalism. Pyramiding 101.

    Larry “Wingnut” Wendlandt
    MaStars – Mothers Against Stuff That Ain’t Right
    (anti-capitalism-ists)
    Bessemer MI USA

  2. Kathryn Graham says:

    Dave, I agree with your premise. My only concern is with your language.

    “Capitalism” is my right as an individual to make and sell widgets without government interference, and such is absolutely essential to a free society. The key phrase is here is “as an individual.” As an individual, I would also have to accept responsibility for the safety and quality of my products, or face crippling lawsuits that would put me out of business in short order. As an individual, if I had been operating Deepwater Horizon, I would be in prison now for criminal negligence and negligent homicide. As the world has seen, the BP officials responsible for the Gulf disaster are walking around free. Why? Because you can’t put a corporation behind bars.

    “Corporatism” – where corporations are given the rights and privileges of citizens without the accompanying individual responsibility – is, in my opinion, the actual problem you are addressing in your excellent article. Historically, corporatism has always led, sooner or later, to fascism, which is what we are experiencing now. Central banks – also corporations – seem to accelerate the process out of all control.

    I should also comment that “free markets,” referring again to my right to make and sell widgets without interference and sell them at competitive prices, and what the government chooses to *call* free markets (and government “free markets” are anything but free), are two very different and mutually exclusive things.

    Nitpicking, I know, but necessary. It just burns me up when the media wants to change my language.

  3. Wingnut says:

    Keep in mind that the government ALLOWS the pyramid scheme called capitalism… to exist. It prints the coupons, legalizes ownership and titles, allows monetary discrimination, allows capitalism’s widespread “pay up or else” felony extortion, and allows “join the free marketeers OR STARVE” forced-joining of a giant competer’s church on the USA 18 year olds. The government that you so easily bash… allows you capitalists to continue your servitude-infested, inequality-infested felony pyramid scheme. Not for long, though. Ya better rat-race on the top-heavy pyramid scheme while you still can, because just like the disgusting bottom-child-exploiting childhood pyramids done in playgrounds, capitalism’s pyramid is coming down. Yay government intervention. Eventually, capitalism will be busted for its disgusting ways.

  4. dobropet says:

    No it does not Wingnut(truly a deserving label).

    As Kathryn has correctly pointed out, corporatism is what American government is ensposing today(ever since 1911). It’s the percfect merger between state and corporation, as Mussolini pointed out, and it’s ultimate result is Fascism. If your idea, that government taxes for the benefit of corporate entities, is to hold water, then why is it that during the years between 1776 and 1913 there was no tax on the individual, or private enterprises?

    Even a learned individual as yourself should know that the Federal Reserve was created in the year 1913(possibly earlier as I’m not familiar with any of it’s previous lives), when, a skeletal congress gave it the power it has now because of the season in which it took the matter to vote, during the winter(Christmas to be more precise) so that most politicians who were celebrating couldn’t voice their opposition to it.

    A century later we have the type of economy that would make Hitler proud. His vision of centralization of control was, is, the idea that is running circles around our liberties, not capitalism. Crony capitalism is another aspect of this idea of statism that belies the image of capitalism. It removes the individual needs and wants of the consumer from the equation by regulating, taxing and thus distorting an otherwise freemarket. We’ve seen this with all presidents as power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Those servitude infested inequality infested felony pyramid schemes you so vehemently denounce are only responding to an otherwise restricting marketplace by a combination of state and federal regulations and taxes. Which is why some corporations are paying off high seeded government officials, for the benefit of their business(G.E., Comcast).

    Capitalism is not restrained by any order of government decree. So any form that this structure takes, in response to ANY intervention from either state or federal entities, IS NOT capitalism. Captialism is not bound by tax feeding officials who look to their future and not the consitutency that make up their districts.

    And you shouldn’t feel sorry Kathryn for that nitpicking, it is better to educate than to seal the information that helps illuminate the truth.

  5. Wingnut says:

    Hi again gang. Dopropet, what an interesting reply, thx. I’m not as “learned” as any of us might think, so, thanks for the mini-history lesson. I have to agree with most of what you say.

    Dobropet: “…that government taxes for the benefit of corporate entities…”

    I never said that… nor would I. To tell the truth, I don’t know WHY the government “recalls” the paper coupons that it prints, and that can’t be owned because each has no entitle of ownership, and each has “Federal Reserve Note” written on it. You tell me why. They COULD just print a big pile of the coupons for their own use. They probably have done that already, and I could care. When S&H Greenstamps printed more greenstamps, I didn’t care then, either. I only care about ANY greenstamp/greenback printings… IF/WHEN someone/something is FORCING the use of those greenstamps… OR STARVE/OR ELSE… upon 18 year old kids. Where’s the bluestamps, redstamps, catholic coupons, anti-capitalism coupons, and the very freely handed-out public library commune coupons? Why should we/kids be forced to use survival/supply coupons from only ONE organization? And worse than anything, its an organization whose policies say that monetary discrimination and survival-of-the-$fittest$ is sane and/or moral. To make a general guess, I’d say the “Fed” wants to avoid printing money for itself… because it makes the pyramid top-heavy. Too many chiefs and not enough indians, if I may quote an old politically-incorrect country song. Speak of which, do ya pick dobro? I did about 30 years of weekend and road-banding… mostly classic country, and mostly on bass.

    And, yes, I’m not really after the lynching of the pyramid scheme called capitalism, as IT… is a RESULT of using economies and ownership… which are man-made-up things. No deer honors a no trespassing sign, no squirrel honors a fence, no raccoon honors price tags, no bird carries a wallet or purse, and no fish carries a title of ownership or store receipt. Eliminate ownership, and the use of economies goes away. Eliminate economies, and pyramid schemes and monetary discrimination goes away. No longer would SOME be born set-for-life and SOME be born set-for-servitude (working FOR things/people instead of WITH things/people). Hell, those born set-4-life don’t even know what the word “job” means. Many set-4-lifes just go around getting “serviced” (servant services) all day and half the night. When using pyramids like capitalism, all men are NOT created equal. They are born with the good name, bank accounts, cronies, and opportunities… of their parents’ position on the socio-economic pyramid… at the time of birth. That’s monetary and ownership discrimination. Can you believe, at one time on the Earth, not everything was owned? Can you believe, that when mankind arrived on the planet, there was not ONE SINGLE title of ownership, nor a FOR SALE sign, nor a NO TRESPASSING sign, nor fences, security cameras, locks, alarm systems, lawsuits, insurance, or little green herd-control-system coupons? Sure you can. Economies are a herd control system, and you know it.

    Dopropet: “Capitalism is not restrained by any order of government decree.”

    Oh really? The ONLY legal tender survival/enjoyment coupon… has “Federal Reserve Note” written on its top, and no title of ownership. That means money cannot be owned, and coddle’n'nurture feel-good lines like “your hard-earned money” and “taxpayer dollars” are just giant self-lies. The money belongs to the Federal Reserve, and any bedazzlement to the contrary… is just a crock of bison snot. And how ’bout those ownership laws that were put in place by the government (-supposedly of the people)? I call that some SERIOUS restraint for those of us who want nothing to do with ownership, and believe that all of the Earth belongs to all of its occupants (just the way the insects and animals think/act). Sure, its not capitalism being restrained, its MY FREEDOM, but, its still worth pointing out. When the giant competer’s religion called capitalism… is the FORCED UPON EVERYONE way, then guess what? That’s felony extortion. Yes, I probably shouldn’t blame capitalism for the railroading and bandwagoning that gets shoved onto 18 year olds when they are forced to go “out there”. While “in here” (pre-18), the parental and societal polices were share share share. After they turn 18, its a complete policy reversal to fight fight fight.

    Nice. That’s just retarded. SOME of us carried share share share right past 18 and right past parental and societal indoctrination and assimilation attempts, and decided that love and commune-ity was better then invoicing and arresting folk for trespassing on Earth-creator-owned lands. Have you noticed that EVERYTHING on the planet… is made up of Earth materials? EVERYTHING is owned by the creators of the planet… which certainly was NOT mankind.

    Do you think the planet came to be out of happenstance? The design of skin, eyeballs, livers, hearts, all happenstance? Of course you don’t. You know damned well that SOMETHING very smart… created Earth and life. Now, it/they are likely watching the capitalist tug-o-warring children… fight over ownership and enjoyments and empowerments. Capitalists KNOW what they are doing is wrong and unnatural… but will they EVER “own”-up? Monetary discrimination and survival-of-the-$fittest$ is just plain disgusting, and its REAL EASY to see, “learned” or not.

    Either way, whether I’m a “Wingnut” or not (9 years in US air force), your pyramid system is about to crumble. I have a better way, ready to go. Anyone else? The military already uses discrimination-less freely-handed-out requisition forms for ITS all-on-the-same-team survival/supply systems. They don’t use ownership, but instead, custodianship, just like the USA public library system. Its because the military (and the USA library system)… knows that communes are the correct and fair way. Ask any military member if they are in fear for survival… due to survival goods acquisition problems. You won’t find any or many. Now go ask the civilians. There, the fear is RAMPANT.

    Own up to the disgusting monetary discrimination and servitude festival/religion that you joined, D. Its easy. Just step outside the herd and look at the rat-racing and inequality. Simple to see, hard to admit-to.

    Best Regards! Wingy

  6. ruok? says:

    That was an ordeal, and I suspect the effort to express that opinion was not. Blinded by rage much? But, in those immediate moments of disgusted cognitive dissonance what is to be expected? Rationality?

    As is so painfully clear from that post your devotion to military custodianship(license to kill at will and indiscriminately) seems to impress upon your better judgement. Any group that considers non-members as “civilians” draws more attention to it’s questionable practices indefinitely removing any confidence surrounding communities may have of it’s integrity. Even the miltary is prone to criticism, take any of Dave Lindorffs posts on militarism abroad. Those individuals come back to their nests to roost, while more and more are taking their actions, and visualizations, to mind:

    http://www.stripes.com/blogs/stripes-central/stripes-central-1.8040/army-sees-worst-month-for-suicides-ever-1.111237

    Still think that “commune” is better for all humanity? Get a grip soldier, you can be assimilated as they want, whenever, however for “their” own good. Any questions, don’t ask, just follow their lead. Real thought provoking mentality wouldn’t you say? Nothing to see here, keep moving. Remember, you’re part of a herd as well(I suspect D is more independent than you nut), still using that fiat monetary distibution pyramid as well? Even some employers in Arizona pay their employess in gold. Whose to say we all use that pyramid to our own detriment, did it ever occur to you there are ways to take advantage of it and not be drawn in? Circumstantial evidence to say the least, there is a lawsuit pending your wild allegations(funny stuff).

    But as long as you compare our livelyhood to those of animals, looking simply for the next meal, you’ll never remain truthful to the fact that man is still the top dog in that so called rat race you vehemently distrust. We’re all civilians, individuals, before we are part of any group, collectivists.

  7. Wingnut says:

    R: That was an ordeal, and I suspect the effort to express that opinion was not.

    W: Thx for the comments, R. The investigation of capitalism was/is an ordeal, but not the reporting of the findings. That’s a joy. I LOVE exposing/busting immoral and criminal operations.

    R: Blinded by rage much?

    W: Accuse people of blind rage much?

    R: But, in those immediate moments of disgusted cognitive dissonance what is to be expected? Rationality?

    W: I don’t know you, so how would I know what to expect from you. Statistically speaking, I expect to be personally attacked and called names. Its refreshing when somebody like you… stays on subject at least somewhat. Thx.

    R: As is so painfully clear from that post your devotion to military custodianship(license to kill at will and indiscriminately) seems to impress upon your better judgment.

    W: Military members tend to cooperate and take care of each other, no matter the family or race. I’m not seeing much of that in the competer’s land of capitalism.

    R: Any group that considers non-members as “civilians” draws more attention to it’s questionable practices indefinitely removing any confidence surrounding communities may have of it’s integrity. Even the military is prone to criticism, take any of Dave Lindorffs posts on militarism abroad. Those individuals come back to their nests to roost, while more and more are taking their actions, and visualizations, to mind.

    W: Keep in mind that I speak of the military’s survival/supply system, and not of the military as a whole. But even in the military’s hierarchy/pyramid system (ranks), it is more like tribal elders in indian communes. Civilian side… lets put the sleaziest, most immoral, most crooked, most cronied, most gouging, most not-give-a-crap people in “charge”. Brilliant. The military at least tries to put experienced (at the pertinent subject matter)-people into those upper ranks.

    R: Still think that “commune” is better for all humanity?

    W: Absolutely, but it must be moneyless and ownership-less. This would NOT be the mislabled ‘communism’ or ‘socialism’ that you’ve been programmed to hate. This is hippy/church commun-ity… a very good thing. You should try it sometime. Its the same kind of ‘love thy neighbor’ we see between the all-on-the-same-team troops in the military. You should feel it… its pretty perfect and real.

    R: Get a grip soldier, you can be assimilated as they want, whenever, however for “their” own good. Any questions, don’t ask, just follow their lead.

    W: I am not a soldier except in the war on the SYSTEM called capitalism. I was in the service from 76 to 85. And no, you don’t JUST follow leads. You have rights, just like on the civilian side. (But there’s added fairness laws/rules). Besides, the ‘lead’ that’s followed in the military… is often a LOGICAL direction and not a profiting direction, so its EASY to follow good ideas/movements in the military. You can blatantly see the intelligence and logic in them. Not near as common in greenback rat-racing land.

    R: Real thought provoking mentality wouldn’t you say?

    W: You tell me. You seem to be thinking. Thus, I’d say yes. Oh, you’re talking about “taking orders”. Yeah, the slaves in the capitalism fast food restaurants (and numerous other servitude-infested busynesses) know all about taking orders, and filling orders, OR ELSE (or else you’re FIRED or TERMINATED). Nice words… nice phenomena. Extortion is what it is. And you still think pyramiding is the way to go?

    R: Nothing to see here, keep moving. Remember, you’re part of a herd as well(I suspect D is more independent than you nut), still using that fiat monetary distribution pyramid as well?

    W: Yep. Even though I long-ago disavowed my pledge of allegiance to the (felony pyramid-) republic for which it stands, I’m in the USA and forced to honor AmWay greenback coupons, redemption centers, and ownership laws. Do I have a choice? No. The planet is owned… and posted NO TRESPASSING! Nice. Just a giant hoard-a-thon. The Earth creators are watching you caps. I think ya better own-up to your felony.

    R: Even some employers in Arizona pay their employees in gold. Whose to say we all use that pyramid to our own detriment, did it ever occur to you there are ways to take advantage of it and not be drawn in?

    W: That’s excellent if/when folks don’t have to use AmWay (American Way) Pyramids Inc. But, we commune folk don’t ‘take advantage’ or any other ‘get a leg up’ pyramiding action. Sorry. We don’t compete… we cooperate. We take the hit for the team… you know… altruism. Look it up.

    R: Circumstantial evidence to say the least, there is a lawsuit pending your wild allegations(funny stuff).

    W: Just watch.

    R: But as long as you compare our livelihood to those of animals, looking simply for the next meal, you’ll never remain truthful to the fact that man is still the top dog in that so called rat race you vehemently distrust.

    W: Animals and insects and the like… are ‘looking simply for the next meal’? I think you need to observe them a bit closer. Yeah, humans are top dog at immoral activity, fighting, warring, gouging, lawsuits, and destroying things. Not the best of measurement criteria to be top dog-at, eh? How’s the happiness meter? How’s the fairness meter? Pretty ‘hind tit’ reading on those meters? How’s the cooperation levels? How’s the re-usability and repair-ability of manufactured goods? LOW dog, that’s how. The Amish, Quakers, Mennonites, similar…. have the capitalists sucking hind tit on MANY MANY categories/criteria of measurement (of values). And the animals? Just take some time to observe them and you will easily see in how many measuring categories… they are well top-dogged over humans. But you’ll need to pay some attention to them, first, in order to see it. And no, that is NOT the ‘order’ or ‘pay’ from your beloved church of competing/pyramiding.

    R: We’re all civilians, individuals, before we are part of any group, collectivists.

    W: You know what I mean. Yes, there are force-ins and volunteer joiners of the free marketeers, but if you’re using greenbacks and titles of ownership, you’re using capitalism/economies… which are survival of the monetary fittest. Either you believe-in/allow monetary discrimination, or you fight it… pretty simple delineation. Either you think the competer’s religion that ate a nation is OK, or you think its disgusting. Cut’n'dried, friend. Thanks again for the pertinent comments.

  8. dobropet says:

    “Military members tend to cooperate and take care of each other, no matter the family or race. I’m not seeing much of that in the competer’s land of capitalism.” Nut

    And allowing unwarranted killing in Afghanistan is taking care of each other? Innocent civilians, along the lines of women and children. That’s the cooperation you speak of? I’d much rather deal with a market, free of the constraints pushed upon it by government(taxes, regulations, social security), than any state sanctioned offenders community.

    “Keep in mind that I speak of the military’s survival/supply system, and not of the military as a whole. But even in the military’s hierarchy/pyramid system (ranks), it is more like tribal elders in indian communes. Civilian side… lets put the sleaziest, most immoral, most crooked, most cronied, most gouging, most not-give-a-crap people in “charge”. Brilliant. The military at least tries to put experienced (at the pertinent subject matter)-people into those upper ranks.” Nut

    And I suppose Nadal Hassan was that model member? Allowed to kill unarmed soldiers on his grounds after being subjected to promotion after promotion until he was tired of military life? And how is that track record for those military communities Nut? Not looking any better from my view:

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/17-afghan-military-deserters-in-the-u-s-%e2%80%93-names-pics/

    “I am not a soldier except in the war on the SYSTEM called capitalism. I was in the service from 76 to 85. And no, you don’t JUST follow leads. You have rights, just like on the civilian side. (But there’s added fairness laws/rules). Besides, the ‘lead’ that’s followed in the military… is often a LOGICAL direction and not a profiting direction, so its EASY to follow good ideas/movements in the military. You can blatantly see the intelligence and logic in them. Not near as common in greenback rat-racing land.” nut

    Nice, I suppose invading Iraq for WMD was NOT for profit purposes? Really off the deep end now. I’ll take the rat racing greenbacks any day, I can surmise that no innocent civilians will be killed or displaced because of my production. Nor will I be attempting to look for more profit to fund any further wars of aggression:

    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Obama-Administration-Knew-About-Deepwater-Horizon-35000-Feet-Well-Bore.html

  9. Wingnut says:

    The imperialism religion that you love and defend, has killed many more than any war. Mostly by crushing them at the bottom of the pyramid. You’re certainly free to keep on hugging survival of the $fittest pyramid schemes. Paint-up that felony dogturd in barbie clothes and makeup, and spray it with heavy perfume… so you can feel good about what you joined. But, deep inside, you know pyramiding and monetary discrimination is wrong and avoidable. Own up.

  10. dobropet says:

    Imperialism!?!?!

    Who’s at the crux of this Imperialistic mantra that you loathe? The military? Or your misguided definition of capitalism? I suggest the former, with their “kill them all” belief system.

    “The imperialism religion that you love and defend, has killed many more than any war.” wingnut

    And your definition of imperialism is what? A religion? Capitalism is not a religion, by far, nor does it resemble anything that this American nation has wraught from the removal of the freemarket principals initially embedded in the beginnings of our society. Are you suggesting that pilgrims, quakers and the like brought weapon to these shores and killed all living things standing in the way of their religion?

    Or was it the idea of the practice of ANYONE’s religion at will under the guise of freedom? Established at the beginning of those ideals, freedom was the ultimate purpose of those individuals, not killing of innocents. Who’d have thought there would be infiltrators to that system(Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan etc.) that established free market ideas.

    No, what Dave speaks of here is not capitalism, it’s crony-capitalism. It resembles nothing that the founders envisioned for this country. It has slowly deteriorated into what we have now, a tyrannical type of corporatism. The perfect union of government and corporation. You cannot have a freemarket in this economy when the government plays both the referee and competitor to the detriment of society, we all lose.

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