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	<title>Comments on: EXCLUSIVE: Former Top Interrogators Back Wide-Ranging Criminal Probe Into Torture</title>
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		<title>By: Roderick Russell</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/3850/former-interrogators-criminal-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One doesn&#039;t have to look only at the former Bush Administration, CIA or the United States to find evidence of torture. Torture is actively being practiced by MI5/6 in the UK and CSIS in Canada. My own story is just one example. Its URL is:

http://zerzetzen.wikispaces.com

Both the Canadian and UK Governments are actively covering this up at the highest levels. 

The torture used is sometimes called no touch torture. it was invented by the stasi to persecute dissidents and they called it zerzetsen. No touch or not, it poisons every part of a person&#039;s life. Roderick Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One doesn&#8217;t have to look only at the former Bush Administration, CIA or the United States to find evidence of torture. Torture is actively being practiced by MI5/6 in the UK and CSIS in Canada. My own story is just one example. Its URL is:</p>
<p><a href="http://zerzetzen.wikispaces.com" rel="nofollow">http://zerzetzen.wikispaces.com</a></p>
<p>Both the Canadian and UK Governments are actively covering this up at the highest levels. </p>
<p>The torture used is sometimes called no touch torture. it was invented by the stasi to persecute dissidents and they called it zerzetsen. No touch or not, it poisons every part of a person&#8217;s life. Roderick Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaa, I&#039;m with you previous commentors on this  whole bundle of questionable stuff
that went down......

SP Biloxi...  Check out the Paul O&#039;Neil &quot;buried&quot; 60 minutes interview.......
The White House was selling Iraqs OIL from DAY 1.. they had maps of the wells.. and fields.. See...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0

Mike... You are REALLY onto them...  The torture is part of the sideshow...too
Not ONLY to extract false information [Al Libi in Egypt] to get their OIL war... it was to intimidate, frighten opponents and control the flow of information....And to provide a distraction as the deadly seriuos business of destroying the evidence was put into action....  Where are the tapes of what the alleged perps said??  Destroyed??  Why??
Where are the Air Controllers tape of their control of 911 flights??   Where is the &quot;plane&#039; and the remains that they &quot;identified&quot; at the pentagon..??   And then there is the anthrax &quot;mystery&#039;........   So many mysteries, so little WILL

johnhkennedy....Yes... Only prosecutions get FACTS...  We need WAY MORE facts.

Thank You TPR for the chance to put my ideas out....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaa, I&#8217;m with you previous commentors on this  whole bundle of questionable stuff<br />
that went down&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>SP Biloxi&#8230;  Check out the Paul O&#8217;Neil &#8220;buried&#8221; 60 minutes interview&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
The White House was selling Iraqs OIL from DAY 1.. they had maps of the wells.. and fields.. See&#8230;  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0</a></p>
<p>Mike&#8230; You are REALLY onto them&#8230;  The torture is part of the sideshow&#8230;too<br />
Not ONLY to extract false information [Al Libi in Egypt] to get their OIL war&#8230; it was to intimidate, frighten opponents and control the flow of information&#8230;.And to provide a distraction as the deadly seriuos business of destroying the evidence was put into action&#8230;.  Where are the tapes of what the alleged perps said??  Destroyed??  Why??<br />
Where are the Air Controllers tape of their control of 911 flights??   Where is the &#8220;plane&#8217; and the remains that they &#8220;identified&#8221; at the pentagon..??   And then there is the anthrax &#8220;mystery&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;..   So many mysteries, so little WILL</p>
<p>johnhkennedy&#8230;.Yes&#8230; Only prosecutions get FACTS&#8230;  We need WAY MORE facts.</p>
<p>Thank You TPR for the chance to put my ideas out&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/3850/former-interrogators-criminal-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There Must Be Prosecution.
Their crimes are too blatant to ignore.


KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS

&quot;WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?&quot; If they aren&#039;t actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture.


SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes
at                         ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG



Only Prosecution Stops Torture!
Only Prosecution Stops Violations of Our Constitution and Rule Of Law.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There Must Be Prosecution.<br />
Their crimes are too blatant to ignore.</p>
<p>KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS</p>
<p>&#8220;WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?&#8221; If they aren&#8217;t actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITIONS<br />
Demanding<br />
both a Commission of Inquiry<br />
and a Special Prosecutor<br />
For All Their Crimes<br />
at                         ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>Only Prosecution Stops Torture!<br />
Only Prosecution Stops Violations of Our Constitution and Rule Of Law.<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/3850/former-interrogators-criminal-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are led to believe the torture program was a good faith effort by desperate officials. Yet there are good reasons to dispute this:

1) The pre-9/11 conduct of torture program advocates has never been fully examined. For example we have never learned why Alec Station withheld from the FBI (from 1/00 through 8/01) the fact that two ID&#039;ed al Qaeda operatives were in the US. Some of the same CIA officials recommended for a disciplinary panel by Helgerson in his 9/11 internal review were key advocates of the torture program.

2)FBI agent Soufan testified that legal FBI methods were working and that the CIA torture program was counterproductive. This is very important as we have been led to believe the torture was a last resort measure required when all legal interrogation methods failed. If the priority was not to attain solid intelligence then of course the legal FBI methods wouldn&#039;t have worked. Torture would have been required for false confessions (i.e. linking al Qaeda to Iraq).

3)Scott Shane (NYT) wrote that the CIA interrogator who replaced Soufan 1)didn&#039;t speak Arabic 2) had no counterterrorism experience 3)had no interrogation experience. This strongly suggests the CIA wasn&#039;t interested in attaining reliable information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are led to believe the torture program was a good faith effort by desperate officials. Yet there are good reasons to dispute this:</p>
<p>1) The pre-9/11 conduct of torture program advocates has never been fully examined. For example we have never learned why Alec Station withheld from the FBI (from 1/00 through 8/01) the fact that two ID&#8217;ed al Qaeda operatives were in the US. Some of the same CIA officials recommended for a disciplinary panel by Helgerson in his 9/11 internal review were key advocates of the torture program.</p>
<p>2)FBI agent Soufan testified that legal FBI methods were working and that the CIA torture program was counterproductive. This is very important as we have been led to believe the torture was a last resort measure required when all legal interrogation methods failed. If the priority was not to attain solid intelligence then of course the legal FBI methods wouldn&#8217;t have worked. Torture would have been required for false confessions (i.e. linking al Qaeda to Iraq).</p>
<p>3)Scott Shane (NYT) wrote that the CIA interrogator who replaced Soufan 1)didn&#8217;t speak Arabic 2) had no counterterrorism experience 3)had no interrogation experience. This strongly suggests the CIA wasn&#8217;t interested in attaining reliable information.</p>
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		<title>By: SP Biloxi</title>
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		<dc:creator>SP Biloxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about CYA by some of the GOP Senators who backed Bush in the Iraq and Afghanistan war, Patriot Act, and so on. This is not only to protect those in the Bush Administration and others for their serious crimes from being exposed and prosecuted but no one is talking about war profiteers from some of the Senate as well as Congress from the Iraq and Afghanistan war. The media should be interviewing film director Robert Greenwald that exposed certain lawmakers who were profitting from the Iraq War in his documentary movie: &quot;Iraq for Sale.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about CYA by some of the GOP Senators who backed Bush in the Iraq and Afghanistan war, Patriot Act, and so on. This is not only to protect those in the Bush Administration and others for their serious crimes from being exposed and prosecuted but no one is talking about war profiteers from some of the Senate as well as Congress from the Iraq and Afghanistan war. The media should be interviewing film director Robert Greenwald that exposed certain lawmakers who were profitting from the Iraq War in his documentary movie: &#8220;Iraq for Sale.&#8221;</p>
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