Comments on: EXCLUSIVE: CIA Experiments on U.S. Soldiers Linked to Torture Program

By: Linda Gore

Linda Gore — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:50:22 +0000

charles morgan says:
September 22, 2009 at 12:58 pm

“Our research on PTSD …. began in the 1990s ..”

Behavioral Cognitive Science Teams comprised of members of the JRPA, USSF, APA, FBI et al couldn’t have successfully protected the criminal arses of all the psychopaths who raped and sodomized American babies enrolled in preschools on or near US Military bases during George H.W. Bush’s terms as CIA Director, US Vice President, and US President, BY, contributing to the incarceration, debilitation, and death of their crime victims, without having access to a wide body of research on inducing abreactions a/k/a PTSD.

Behavioral Cognitive Science Teams comprised of members of the JRPA, USSF, APA, and FBI couldn’t have successfully protected the criminal arses of themselves and all the criminals and psychotics they trained and/or paid to assist them in degrading and dominating cyberspace, BY, contributing to the incarceration, debilitation and/or death of Americans who sought to use the WWW as a marketplace of ideas, without having had access to a wide body of research on inducing abreactions a/k/a PTSD.

The ultimate objective of all government sponsored “PTSD research” is the acquisition of knowledge wrt abreaction induction.

By: Stan J. Caterbone

Stan J. Caterbone — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:34:53 +0000

October 1, 2009

Dear Mr. Kaye,

I am a victim and target of U.S. Sponsored Mind Control, and member of the Freedom From Covert Harassment and Surveillance Organization, (www.FreedomFCHS.com) or FFCHS. We all thank you for bringing these issues to light.

I am also a member of an outreach committee for FFCHS and we are actively seeking high profile persons to be spokesman for our organization. Would you be interested?

The following document titled HAARP, The United States Government, Mind Control and The Advanced Media Group describes in some detail my case. It can be found at:

http://advancedmediagroup.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/haarp-the-united-states-government-and-advanced-media-group-september-23-20092.pdf

Stan J. Caterbone
Advanced Media Group
Member Freedom From Covert Harassment & Surveillance, FFCHS
http://www.amgglobalentertainmentgroup.com

By: charles morgan

charles morgan — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:58:39 +0000

I am disappointed to see that Jeffrey Kaye continues to be both inaccurate and misleading. The research conducted by our research team at the National Center for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is not, and never has been, conducted for any other purpose than to help us understand the pathophysiology of stress disorders and we might better help in the treatment of veterans. Our research on PTSD and our studies of stress in healthy soldiers began in the 1990s – long before 2001 and the Bush Administration’s policies. We will continue to investigate how we might better help individuals who suffer from trauma related disorders.

By: Findlay

Findlay — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:21:00 +0000

Experiments are still going on, and here is how it went for us, and our renters are also unwillingly being hit with radiation. It is part of an IDENTITY THEFT crime that is happening to people who have good resumes with International experience, and also to people who have land, or an inheritance that can be taken. I strongly believe that the Russian Mafia is to blame.
1. A woman, middle aged, opens a trading account, and, BAM the computer is hacked and somehow they use the computer to send out emails, or maybe child pornography. They IMMEDIATELY report this crime to the FBI, so and investigation is opened.
2. Before the victim knows what is going on, she is discredited to the police.
3. The police call the Citizen Police to have her stalked (tagged). Phones, emails, and surveillance is in place.
4. Every attempt is made to harass, frame, blackmail, and cause the person to make a mistake.
5. The person reports the hacking to the police, the death threats, and other horrible threats that were made, but the police have been told that the person is delusional, and she is discounted.
6. A contract is gained through the DOD for a radiation study, or some other study, and the scientist moves in next to the person.
7. In our case, the scientist is burning us with lasers, hitting us with radiation at night, and participating in overt harassment, such as running around the house with all the lights on in his underwear at night, or checking his mail in his underwear while we are on the porch.
8. We are harassed with deadly radiation until we either move, or die. We are no longer credible to the police, so no claim we make will be taken seriously.
9. The person with the good resume they want will either be killed, sickened, or discredited at work, so they lost their job. Meanwhile, the Russian Mafia has already applied for jobs with the good resume, and our address.
10. A fake poison pen letter is sent to the husband, the wife is blackmailed, and the family is all mind controlled to hate the mother, and call her crazy. She knows what is going on, but she is the only one, and nobody will believe that she is being stalked. The family is destroyed, killed, or sickened.
11. Mission accomplished, Identity Theft!

By: Jeffrey Kaye

Jeffrey Kaye — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:54:14 +0000

I am gratified to see a strong response to this article, as the issues are of paramount importance. I do want to add for readers that since posting this article, other quotes by Dr. Morgan have been brought to my attention that call into question his feelings about using SERE as an experimental foundation for interrogations. I will address these in an upcoming follow-up to this article.

But here is one quote, by Dr. Morgan, to give you a feel for what I’m talking about. I’ve emphasized a key sentence by surrounding it with asterisks:

“Another line of research at SERE involves a low-tech methodology to find the identity of an undercover operative that some members of the group of students are attempting to conceal. Preliminary analysis suggests that this new technique is not only effective at uncovering the information suspects are trying to hide but also capable of detecting which subjects possess the sensitive information. The next phase is designed to assess whether the technique can be used to find a cell of “terrorists” hidden in a group of suspects. ****The SERE training environment affords the military services the opportunity to collaborate with various other government agencies in exploring old and new techniques in gathering human intelligence.”****

See http://books.google.com/books?id=rytCzdXGgXkC&pg=PA252&lpg=PA252&dq=%22The+SERE+platform+offers+a+unique+opportunity+to+evaluate+old+and+new+assessment+techniques+under+conditions+that+are+more+realistic+than+traditional+laboratories.%22&source=bl&ots=S93BwlfFtQ&sig=-QVvU_SsXMYGhbz_T_iygPY1rqs&hl=en&ei=8FipSvzCG5LasQP85tHtBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

By: Jesse Hemingway

Jesse Hemingway — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:26:52 +0000

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The creation of SERE training is an indictment on its own; SERE is the proof that the United States Government would have intentions and be operating out side the scope of the Geneva Conventions. All SERE training really was is an effort to clear Eisenhower’s conscious as covert activate and illegal military action escalated. For the Bush Administration to publicly state “that we use the same torture methods as used in SERE training so it is not torture” proves their criminal guilt on that statement alone.

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By: Dr. Julien Arbor

Dr. Julien Arbor — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:51:20 +0000

Thank you Dr. Kaye for this very informative piece. Unfortunately… the experimentation is also being conducted on U.S. citizens as well. See the video at the following link…

http://oihoipolloi.wordpress.com/

Given my research…

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1447980#i

http://www.youtube.com/user/OJulienLA

…perhaps the “boys” don’t like the fact that they’ve been shown up by a woman!

This WILL be dealt with tout suite!

By: Tom Burghardt

Tom Burghardt — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:17:59 +0000

Excellent piece Mr. Kaye! What I found intriguing is the close proximity of what one can only call CIA/JSOC torture specialists and the trend towards outsourcing and privatization of “inherently governmental” functions to private, unaccountable corporate entities such as Future Technologies, Inc. This is very troubling indeed.

Unfortunately, this is a trend that bears close monitoring and careful investigation by researchers and journalists. Given the multibillion “terrorism industry” that already exists where top secret security clearances are traded like baseball cards by giant defense corporations, will the “fruit” of illicit CIA/JSOC “research” migrate to other nations and will such “specialists,” at a hefty price to be sure, offer their services to any and all comers who can afford it?

By: Dave "knowbuddhau" Parker

Dave "knowbuddhau" Parker — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:47:02 +0000

Thanks, this is exactly the type of detailed analysis of the PHR white paper I’ve been hoping for. The unavoidable “bad faith” conclusion pulls the rug out from under torture apologists.

Reminds me of Stephen Soldz’s recent post regarding Col. Larry James (ret.), whom Soldz as saying the following:

“However, since at the time of the interrogations they were deemed legal and acceptable by that sitting administration, I do not believe the investigation is warranted or necessary.”

http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2009/09/07/psychologist-accused-of-war-crimes-opposes-torture-investigations/

Too bad for Col. James that there isn’t any “there” there to rely on, eh? Can there even exist a “good faith” effort to torture?

Add to the bad faith of OLC lawyers the fact that hardly anyone saw the infamous memos, and it sure looks like a criminal enterprise.

“Levin reports–about the Bybee One memo–something similar to what we’ve heard about the Bybee Two memo: that not many of the torturers had seen the document. ”

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/09/no-one-saw-the-bybee-one-memo-either/