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	<title>Comments on: CIA/SERE Experiments Evidence of Attempt to Mislead on OLC Torture Memos</title>
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		<title>By: JB, Maj, SF (retired)</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB, Maj, SF (retired)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The objective of SERE is NOT to train people to give &quot;false statements&quot; as indicated in DIZZY above, but rather to give high risk Special Operations personnel some experience and techniques, to survive the ordeal. After about 24 hours all tactical intelligence is essentially worthless, and there is no reason to lie further. We teach to resist and perhaps deceive the enemy into thinking we have more, to keep us alive, but the object of SERE is to survive captivity, and give techniques and tools for escape and evasion as well. I am a grad of both the U.S. Navy SEAL SERE course and the U.S. Army Special Forces SERE High Risk courses, and the belief that water boarding and the other enhanced interrogation techniques are torture is simply ridiculous. We have become a culture of &quot;kindler gentler ninnies&quot; and we need to grow up and realize that the rest of the world does not all run around singing Kumbaya. Come on folks, stop acting little children and realize we must protect our military personnel, and it&#039;s not always FUN AND GAMES! JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The objective of SERE is NOT to train people to give &#8220;false statements&#8221; as indicated in DIZZY above, but rather to give high risk Special Operations personnel some experience and techniques, to survive the ordeal. After about 24 hours all tactical intelligence is essentially worthless, and there is no reason to lie further. We teach to resist and perhaps deceive the enemy into thinking we have more, to keep us alive, but the object of SERE is to survive captivity, and give techniques and tools for escape and evasion as well. I am a grad of both the U.S. Navy SEAL SERE course and the U.S. Army Special Forces SERE High Risk courses, and the belief that water boarding and the other enhanced interrogation techniques are torture is simply ridiculous. We have become a culture of &#8220;kindler gentler ninnies&#8221; and we need to grow up and realize that the rest of the world does not all run around singing Kumbaya. Come on folks, stop acting little children and realize we must protect our military personnel, and it&#8217;s not always FUN AND GAMES! JB</p>
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		<title>By: anonymity</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/5504/ciasere-experiments-evidence-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-3282</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent article - I only just now ran across it.  I wanted to point out that I ran across another factor in interrogations - that is the element of &quot;clean teams&quot; being able to gather information after the fact.  These would not necessarily be the CIA agents,

Also, if someone is wondering why those people claiming government harassment post on Guantanamo torture sights the reasons should be obvious - regardless of who is behind the harassment of individuals here, some of the same tactics are being used. 

(Add to that some kind of Ericksonian NLP that in conjunction with the artificially induced PTSD makes a victim much more susceptible to disinformation about the origins of the program as well as what&#039;s going on,)

People who create systems to intensely harass and mentally destroy &quot;terror suspects,&quot; innocent persons and even children in some cases need to be exposed and prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent article &#8211; I only just now ran across it.  I wanted to point out that I ran across another factor in interrogations &#8211; that is the element of &#8220;clean teams&#8221; being able to gather information after the fact.  These would not necessarily be the CIA agents,</p>
<p>Also, if someone is wondering why those people claiming government harassment post on Guantanamo torture sights the reasons should be obvious &#8211; regardless of who is behind the harassment of individuals here, some of the same tactics are being used. </p>
<p>(Add to that some kind of Ericksonian NLP that in conjunction with the artificially induced PTSD makes a victim much more susceptible to disinformation about the origins of the program as well as what&#8217;s going on,)</p>
<p>People who create systems to intensely harass and mentally destroy &#8220;terror suspects,&#8221; innocent persons and even children in some cases need to be exposed and prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: stevelaudig</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/5504/ciasere-experiments-evidence-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>stevelaudig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you expect torturers to tell the truth? Ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you expect torturers to tell the truth? Ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Truax</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/5504/ciasere-experiments-evidence-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-1141</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald F. Truax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more going on here than people know; Josef Mengele still lives :(

http://www.theominousparallels.blogspot.com/

The Ominous Parallels Report

The Ominous Parallels is a web site that discusses how The United States government uses organized Harassment and Torture perpetrated by the National Security Agency [NSA], Science Application International Corporation [SAIC] and other government agency&#039;s using Military grade Psychological Operations and Direct Energy Weapons against United States citizens, and other countries citizens from around the world.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/expose/expose_2007/episode204/watch.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7238049

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=science_applications_international_corporation_(saic)

As a former Intelligence community worker working for Science Applications International Corporation I&#039;ve come under covert-overt attack by the National Security Apparatus for whistle-blowing that the office I worked in located at Dulles, VA right beside the airport for Science Applications International Corporation was empty on the morning of the 11th of September 2001.

Since leaving Science Applications International Corporation I&#039;ve been under constant surveillance, constant harassment by the U.S. Government, its agency&#039;s and Science Application International Corporation.

The Ominous Parallels website discusses the specifics concerning these covert types of harassment - active measures that I&#039;ve been exposed to and have experienced; moreover, the specifics of how these operations work.

For emphasis, this includes methodologies of psychological torture via direct energy weapons and covert operations. Philippe Sands book titled &quot;The Torture Team&quot; is profound as it speaks to these methodologies that I have experienced as a TI.

As a TI I know that the torture at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib are a &quot;by-product&quot; of something much more sinister that is going on in our world. My hope is that one day these programs will be exposed and to that end The Ominous Parallels website seeks to educate the public about these kinds of weapons, operations, players and the effect it is having on our world.

More important is how the inhumane actions of our government parallels that of Nazi Germany between 1933 - 1945.

This is REAL; TIs need some kind of safe haven!


Love &quot;Light&quot; and Energy

_Don

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743356/CoVeR-lEtTeR-the-OmInOuS-Parallels

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743550/The-OmInOuS-Parallels  [Read with discernment]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743647/NeWs-SiNcE-rEpOrT-rElEaSe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more going on here than people know; Josef Mengele still lives :(</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theominousparallels.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theominousparallels.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>The Ominous Parallels Report</p>
<p>The Ominous Parallels is a web site that discusses how The United States government uses organized Harassment and Torture perpetrated by the National Security Agency [NSA], Science Application International Corporation [SAIC] and other government agency&#8217;s using Military grade Psychological Operations and Direct Energy Weapons against United States citizens, and other countries citizens from around the world.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/expose/expose_2007/episode204/watch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wnet/expose/expose_2007/episode204/watch.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7238049" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7238049</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=science_applications_international_corporation_(saic)" rel="nofollow">http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=science_applications_international_corporation_(saic)</a></p>
<p>As a former Intelligence community worker working for Science Applications International Corporation I&#8217;ve come under covert-overt attack by the National Security Apparatus for whistle-blowing that the office I worked in located at Dulles, VA right beside the airport for Science Applications International Corporation was empty on the morning of the 11th of September 2001.</p>
<p>Since leaving Science Applications International Corporation I&#8217;ve been under constant surveillance, constant harassment by the U.S. Government, its agency&#8217;s and Science Application International Corporation.</p>
<p>The Ominous Parallels website discusses the specifics concerning these covert types of harassment &#8211; active measures that I&#8217;ve been exposed to and have experienced; moreover, the specifics of how these operations work.</p>
<p>For emphasis, this includes methodologies of psychological torture via direct energy weapons and covert operations. Philippe Sands book titled &#8220;The Torture Team&#8221; is profound as it speaks to these methodologies that I have experienced as a TI.</p>
<p>As a TI I know that the torture at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib are a &#8220;by-product&#8221; of something much more sinister that is going on in our world. My hope is that one day these programs will be exposed and to that end The Ominous Parallels website seeks to educate the public about these kinds of weapons, operations, players and the effect it is having on our world.</p>
<p>More important is how the inhumane actions of our government parallels that of Nazi Germany between 1933 &#8211; 1945.</p>
<p>This is REAL; TIs need some kind of safe haven!</p>
<p>Love &#8220;Light&#8221; and Energy</p>
<p>_Don</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743356/CoVeR-lEtTeR-the-OmInOuS-Parallels" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743356/CoVeR-lEtTeR-the-OmInOuS-Parallels</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743550/The-OmInOuS-Parallels" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743550/The-OmInOuS-Parallels</a>  [Read with discernment]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743647/NeWs-SiNcE-rEpOrT-rElEaSe" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/13743647/NeWs-SiNcE-rEpOrT-rElEaSe</a></p>
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		<title>By: Linda Marie Gore</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/5504/ciasere-experiments-evidence-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Marie Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dizzy says:
September 25, 2009 at 5:25 am

&quot;You either support these forms of abuse or you are one of them.&quot;

Kaye,  Olson,  Reisner,  Welch,  Bond and other corrupt US Psychologists are perpetrating what&#039;s known as a &quot;limited hangout&quot;.

By publishing a steady stream of articles wherein the criminally insane psychologists who participated in the torture and murder of a few thousand detainees are thrown under the bus,  Kaye and other corrupt US psychologists hope to protect the criminally insane arses,  and more significantly,   the lucrative income which America&#039;s criminally insane psychologists derive from criminally conspiring with the FBI to protect the criminal arses of America&#039;s thoroughly corrupt civil servants by blackmailing,  terrorizing and/or effecting the murder of millions of their crime victims .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dizzy says:<br />
September 25, 2009 at 5:25 am</p>
<p>&#8220;You either support these forms of abuse or you are one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kaye,  Olson,  Reisner,  Welch,  Bond and other corrupt US Psychologists are perpetrating what&#8217;s known as a &#8220;limited hangout&#8221;.</p>
<p>By publishing a steady stream of articles wherein the criminally insane psychologists who participated in the torture and murder of a few thousand detainees are thrown under the bus,  Kaye and other corrupt US psychologists hope to protect the criminally insane arses,  and more significantly,   the lucrative income which America&#8217;s criminally insane psychologists derive from criminally conspiring with the FBI to protect the criminal arses of America&#8217;s thoroughly corrupt civil servants by blackmailing,  terrorizing and/or effecting the murder of millions of their crime victims .</p>
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		<title>By: Trudy Bond</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/5504/ciasere-experiments-evidence-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Trudy Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
Your continued indepth, investigative research shines a bright light on the lies, coverups, and history of torture in the CIA.  Your work is extremely important and I can only hope that someday people will demand a change in our government, such that it will no longer support these actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
Your continued indepth, investigative research shines a bright light on the lies, coverups, and history of torture in the CIA.  Your work is extremely important and I can only hope that someday people will demand a change in our government, such that it will no longer support these actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzy</title>
		<link>http://pubrecord.org/torture/5504/ciasere-experiments-evidence-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>Dizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hard to believe that training volunteers to resist Chinese and Soviet methods designed to produced false confessions is not the best method for actionable intelligence when done to handcuffed and beaten men that you believe hate your country.  I mean this has got to work since I seen on TV!

Ok, I remember the &quot;crop dusters of death,&quot; the &quot;Saddam and Osama connection,&quot;  &quot;WMD/yellow cake Uranium,&quot; &quot;frog men going to attack the Statue of Liberty,&quot; and all the terror alert changes from blue to orange to yellow and back to violet, but to suggest this has not been effective is crazy talk.  

You either support these forms of abuse or you are one of them.   I&#039;m sure that was what the Chinese and Soviets were told as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to believe that training volunteers to resist Chinese and Soviet methods designed to produced false confessions is not the best method for actionable intelligence when done to handcuffed and beaten men that you believe hate your country.  I mean this has got to work since I seen on TV!</p>
<p>Ok, I remember the &#8220;crop dusters of death,&#8221; the &#8220;Saddam and Osama connection,&#8221;  &#8220;WMD/yellow cake Uranium,&#8221; &#8220;frog men going to attack the Statue of Liberty,&#8221; and all the terror alert changes from blue to orange to yellow and back to violet, but to suggest this has not been effective is crazy talk.  </p>
<p>You either support these forms of abuse or you are one of them.   I&#8217;m sure that was what the Chinese and Soviets were told as well.</p>
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